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Rentacoder Q&A 2
Rentacoder Q&A 2 copied from
http://wyome.com/blog/Rent-A-Coder_Alternatives%3F
Rent-A-Coder Alternatives?
Are there any good Rent-A-Coder alternatives out there that don't suck? That site is maddening to find anything, much less to just browse around. They really need to post a job to clean up their site, as it's about useless in page load and organization.
I know there was one for OS Projects, but when I was looking at it there was a total of three jobs listed. I wouldn't mind writing something, but I don't really have the time to promote it, and I certainly don't want any part of arbitration between people.
Please, tell me there is an alternative out there?
Posted by: Anonymous
Guru.com and elance.com, although elance is more global oriented and prices are very competitive or downright cheap.
-cwolf
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Posted by: John Cox
True. To be honest, I have both of those bookmarked but I don't go to either because of the reasons you mentioned. They are easier to navigate though:)
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Posted by: Anonymous
Guru.com and elance.com asks about subscription fee. Pay this fee and say "buy, buy" to your money, because you will never win any auction.
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Posted by: spamspotter
I had a very bad experience with Rent a Coder. You might read my experience here, but if you like your coder I suggest you developing a long term relationship.
http://www.spamspotter.com/2006/09/12/doing-business-with-rac-rentacoder-be-careful/
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Posted by: kamen123
It is fair to warn everyone about the pitfalls with rentacoder
please note with bigger/serious projects rentacoder staff are INCREDIBLY STUPID PROFESSIONAL LIARS
they lie even with their slogan
the DUMMIES in rentacoder staff are proficient to blame someone else for their mistakes in attempts to hide their stupidity
PERFECT evidences at http://kamen123.blogspot.com/
It is recommended to use such sites to find good clients and after that to avoid the site
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Posted by: TakeReal.com
The insulter "kamen123" has been banned from RentACoder
Main reason: "He insulted other parties numerous times".
"kamen 123" spoil perfect site in revenge.
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Posted by: kamen123
TakeReal/Sergey I.Grachyov: please spend your time checking my blog and please see that I have PERFECT evidences confirming my opinion. After that please advise the dummies in rac staff to stop with the lies. And please do not forget that only rentacoder is place for barking :-)
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Posted by: Tien Do Xuan
I have read just about 20 replies from kamen123. I can see that he is not professional as he didn't clear things before project starts. Also he must know that buyer will change some thing a little and money could be created easier and smoother if you go with minor modifications rather than take all into arbitration.
Just take to arbitration unacceptable requirements that in your project that caused I see that they are, but you didn't do that.
Also blaming others lead you to bad sign. Just be polite and don't say that you are not working for free, only that it is out side original requirement rather than saying WASTE TIME, WASTE TIME. Time is really waste if working such a coder like you.
In conclusion you are a bad coder which I never work with if I'm a buyer, really.
http://codeandmore.com/
Best Regards,
Tien.
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Posted by: kamen123
Tien Do Xuan your text is nonsense
Probably you are just liar from rentacoder staff
I cleared the requirements, but the buyer tried to shirk and he send the project to arbitration.
During the arbitration mental abilities of the arbitrators did not allow them to deal properly. They needed FOUR months to understand FOUR words.
So please admit the truth: mental abilities of rentacoder staff do not allow them to provide good and consistent service when dealing with serious projects. And they are struggling to survive flattering clients, exploiting misleaded coders, making patches, barking and lies
Tien Do Xuan please do not make silly attempts to hide the truth
It is fair to warn about the lies of the dummies in rentacoder staff.
Best Regards
kamen123
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Posted by: Tien Do Xuan
No Karmen,
I'm not Rent A Coder staff, just take a look at http://codeandmore.com/ where I'm building my portfolio there. I'm a successful coder on RAC now with ranking smaller than 200 with thousands of dollar earned, never lost any arbitrations.
One important point that you agreed to build the system on client's server on his ability, his environment, but you could not do that.
So what to say, you are bad coder. All the truth has been shown on arbitration texts, you could not understand the rule that you agreed, could not do the work right way, and rude, very rude.
If I'm a buyer I never work with you.
Best Regards,
Tien.
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Posted by: kamen123
Tien Do Xuan again your text is nonsense.
You may be hired by the dummies in rentacoder staff to support them
If you can think just read and see that I'm right:
I agreed to build system and I did it. I even did much more than I promised. It's all in the records. But I stumbled in the stupidity of rentacoder staff and their inability to understand more than several sentences plain English. I explained many times but the dummies in rentacoder staff need FOUR months to understand FOUR words!!!!!????
Also you can see in my blog how rentacoder staff is not able of understanding EXPLICIT recommendation from Microsoft during years. As results they are struggling against stupidity several years. And they think that Microsoft are responsible. But actually the stupidity of rentacoder staff is responsible. The same patter is in my experience with rentacoder: they do not understand more than several words plain English and they are proficient to lie and to blame someone else(Microsoft, me, anyone)
I'm not rude. I'm just showing facts. It's fair to warn about the pitfalls
Probably you make small tasks up to several hundreds and this is why you are working ok on rentacoder. Such small tasks are suitable for mental abilities of the dummies in rac staff. BUT beware that with significantly bigger tasks everyone will stumble in the incredibly stupidity
I have years international experience outside rentacoder. Also I can bring projects on renacoder as buyer. But I will NOT work with the dummies in rentacoder staff. Because they are too stupid to deal properly
So do you see now that I'm right?
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Posted by: Tien Do Xuan
Hi Karmen,
Should you not to say about some one to lie or not. You agreed to build a system follow the bid request, but at last you could not do that, right? Who will be responsible? Who should say apologize?. Assume it is impossible thing to create, why do you bid on it? And at last, when you could not do that project, who is the wrong doer in contract? Paris, your buyer is too patient to you also Rent A Coder arbitrators. Saying me I will not allow you more time to make me tired bored and at last nothing good created.
Now you are spending too much of time showing your right, using your mouth rather than training your self about programming skill which will increase your income.
I think with this point of view, you can't work well any where not only Rent A Coder. If you want to show me some where you are working well, send me profile links.
Here is my profile link to RAC so everyone here can see how high ranking, certified, good buyers' reputations should be for a normal coder.
http://codeandmore.com/weblinks/rent-a-coder/my-resume.html
Regards,
Tien.
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Posted by: Tien Do Xuan
Karmen,
Also your project from which you failed in arbitration is not a big project, at least not bigger than my recent projects which is done in days not weeks nor months like you. http://codeandmore.com/weblinks/rent-a-coder/my-resume.html
At this moment I'm not really a big dealer but enough for medium projects which is over 500. How many higher than 500$ projects you have done Karmen?
So they can see how high your experiences, also how big your mouth rather than big money you have in hand.
Saying true things, have you got any references to any sites that you are working well (and getting big projects as you saying from time to time)? Any bills that shows you could be a really good buyer? I love to see them rather then your typing skill which I can see from long posts.
Not only me, but every nice coders working well on RAC would protect them against bad coders like you.
When you spend too much time to prove that Rent A Coder 's fault, you are showing your bad face, bad skills, bad in rule/contract agreement may be English. At this moment you should wish that you could delete all things to start again as a fresh one.
Regards,
Tien.
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Posted by: kamen123
Hi Tien
Again your text is nonsense.
Please do not overload this page. Please contact me by email j2ee@abv.bg. I'll try to explain the obvious facts
As I told you I did what I promised in my bid. It was done for several hours or days. Also I did even more. But the problem was that the buyer and the arbitrator tried to get unlimited free lessons that cost more than $4000. Such lessons are not part of my bid and the project become much bigger than my initial bid. So I stumbled in the stupidity of rentacoder staff. It's all in the records
Everyone can see in my blog how rentacoder staff are not able of understanding the EXPLICIT recommendation from Microsoft therefore everyone will agree that rentacoder staff are too stupid to deal with bigger projects
As I told you I have years international experience. I have worked with real companies. I have worked on projects that cost millions. I do not wish to involve these companies in the stupid conversation with the dummies in rentacoder staff. In order to provide references about me I can use my contacts to help you find real job with real company if you are near me.
So please spend your time reading my blog to see that I have perfect evidences confirming that I'm right.
It is fair to warn about rentacoder staff. Please do not write more here. Please use my email j2ee@abv.bg
Regards
Kamen
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Posted by: Tien Do Xuan
Hi Karmen,
As above, you could not understand clear English! If you could understand what I said, you should post some links for every one to see how professional you are rather than how big your mouth.
I don't want to waste time email you and keep posting on this site but once again, if you better not type "non sense again" but paste here some links to your profile like this one:
http://codeandmore.com/weblinks/rent-a-coder/my-resume.html
Every one can see how truth your words.
This post is my last post here and I will no longer keeping my eye here. If you have so much time to do that, my advice to use that huge time to learn more English, sharpen your skill in programming and communicating rather than saying "I'm right" over time. You are not right until you see you are not right at that situation.
Once again, last post. You always want to be the last one to say, so do it.
Regards,
Tien.
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Posted by: kamen123
Hi Tien
Sorry that I have to disappoint you but your text again is nonsense
I just prefer you to use your brain instead of typing inconsistent statements here
I have worked with real companies and they do not post online details about their business. So please do no ask for such links
If you think more some day you may realise the truth that is obvious for many people like me: Rentacoder is suitable for beginners or for coders making small tasks up to several hundreds. All others have to avoid rentacoder because they will stumble in the incredible stupidity of rentacoder staff. It is fair to warn about this.
Regards
Kamen
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Posted by: kamen123
And Tien I know you will read so just 2 questions for your homework :
- Do you think that Microsoft need to "sharpen their skills in programming and communicating" in order rentacoder staff to understand EXPLICIT recommendation?
- Why don't you admit the obvious stupidity of rentacoder staff?
:-)?
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Posted by: clauz
Hi there, I just wanted to contribute to the topic a bit but letting you know there is a new service alternative to RAC that has not been mentioned here, probably cos it is rather new: Sypad.com
While I do enjoy RAC and unlike karmen I do think it is suitable for large projects, I always thought the interface for example could be much more improved. Other services with nice interfaces are more expensive as well. Sypad costs the same than rentacoder and it has a much better navigability. At the same time it is already bilingual and it will be adding more languages, something that is already unique.
It is only starting now, so few projects still...but I sure hope it grows cos I have tested it -I was invited to the beta testing rounds- and I did like it a lot.
Greetings,
Clauz
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Posted by: kamen123
Clauz you are free to ignore the obvious facts.
But it's fair to warn about the pitfalls of rentacoder
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Posted by: CoderForRent.com
Our site offers free listing, bids, and acceptance. Coders never pay a dime for anything. Just check it out and who know, maybe you'll have found one that doesn't suck.
Go to CoderForRent.com
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Posted by: Falcon
I have used elance several times to find coders, designers and marketing people, all to do with my Oracle E-Business Suite business.
And as a buyer of these services, I have found elance to work very well but the providers of services vary hugely. Yes many of the bids are very low, but I do not always choose the cheapest bid. A large part of my decision rests on whether or not I think I will get on with the provider, whether they understand my requirement and whether I believe they have the skills to do the job.
As in any activity involving handing over money you have to be careful. And I guess this is also true for a provider in assessing whether or not to hand over their time to a buyer!
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Posted by: Anonymous
The other upcoming is 247 Rent A Coder.
247RentACoder is a Outsourcing place for freelance programmers, web and logo designers, copywriters, illustrators and consultants
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Posted by: Goose
I know this is way late in the conversation but I thought I could shed some light on an otherwise confusing matter. From what I can surmise using links in the replies here It is my understanding that ALL parties were wrong in all aspects. The RAC Staff was wrong for delaying to this extent, The buyer was wrong for asking too much, but also you were wrong because you extended the problem with BAD English and by OVERREACTING. With almost all buyers if you talk coherently and are patient in your explanations will be very easy to deal with. I personally try to put the customer first (usually) and if a customer wants more done than was originally bid for I will ask then to either open a new, private, bid or ask them so send it to me in the form of a bonus. As you can also find by looking in the links posted the dispute was over $150, which is a medium sized project in my mind and I made $750 in 1.5* projects in the past few weeks *I say 1.5 because ! is completed and the buyer of my current released half of the fee from escrow, since I completed roughly half the work and also so it would make it into my account before the pay deadline (talk about a nice customer)
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Posted by: kamen123
Goose please do not try to change the facts
The main problem is the STUPIDITY of rentacoder staff and the buyer Paris Muller.
All other "problems" described by you are in consequence of this stupidity
You can look at http://rentacoder.com/CS/blogs/real_life_it/archive/2006/03/19/448.aspx
On this link rentacoder staff have described how they are wandering during years, how they can not understand EXPLICIT recommendations in the documentation of IIS/ASP and how they bark against Microsoft
I hope from this link you can guess what "professionals" are rentacoder staff and what is the content of their site...
I really sorry but I DO NOT provide unlimited free lessons for dummies
:-)
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Posted by: kamen123
And Goose for people that do not have experience building web sites I added brief explanation of the link at http://kamen123.blogspot.com/2007/03/very-funny-link-that-i-found.html
So Goose please feel free to answer these questions:
- Do you think that Microsoft need to "sharpen their skills in programming and communicating" in order rentacoder staff to understand EXPLICIT recommendation?
- Why don't you admit the OBVIOUS STUPIDITY OF RENTACODER STAFF?
:-)
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Posted by: Tien Do Xuan
Hello all,
When you are using your time to show your English skill in insulting, I use my time to increase ranking and of course money.
http://codeandmore.com/weblinks/rent-a-coder/my-resume.html
Now I'm at top 100 coders (and will be in Top 10 next year), where you are Karmen, a banned coder?
Every one might fail, but they have to earn some experiences from that failure to make success later, what you can learn from that, you still don't see any thing you can learn? If that, never you can be success.
Regards and honest,
Tien.
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Posted by: kamen123
Hello Tien Do Xuan
Please note that you will never have success if you allow STUPID LIARS like rentacoder staff to blame you for their stupidity
As I told you I have many years experience with international companies. It is not published online but it is easy to prove it with a text.
Tien Do Xuan just study this text and when you understand it please let me know:
URL: http://kamen123.blogspot.com/2007/03/very-funny-link-that-i-found.html
TASK TITLE: outline major mistakes of rentacoder staff during years
ACHIEVED GOAL: created perfect evidence
EVIDENCE OF: the dummies in rentacoder staff do not understand more than several words plain English and they are proficient to blame someone else
BRIEF DESCRIPTION: the dummies in rentacoder staff can not understand the PERFECT documentation of IIS/ASP during years. And they blame Microsoft. But the real problem is the endless stupidity of rentacoder staff
SIDE EFFECT: this task proves that I have much more skills and experience than the liars in rentacoder staff
RECOMMENDATION: if someone tries to make serious project he will stumble in the incredible stupidity of rac staff. People interested to make serious projects have to go far away from rentacoder.
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Posted by: r-ac staff
Hi there.
You may try scriptlance.com.
I have turned all business there after some issues with rac.
scriplance is more flexibile, smaller community, where you actually you can talk with the admins.
they even reactivated my account twice.
more, you wount see there ratings like on rac. in case of project cancellation, you dont get any review :)
this is advertising, i am trying to build also a place like rac ans sl, but its hard :).
i need members lool. if you are interested, checkout http://www.rent-acoder.com There will be more benefits like on rac.
the site is up by a year, but only now it suffered a redesign and some seo/marketing!
thanks,
Andor
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Posted by: kamen123
Also Tien Do Xuan please note that is fair to warn other internet users about the pitfalls of rentacoder
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Posted by: Steel9561
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RACsuccess.com also offers both coders and buyers of RAC a place of encounter since it offers a forum on which you can share your experiences, ask your questions and let others respond to your concerns through the RACsuccess community Forum.
URL: http:\\www.racsuccess.com
Sincerely,
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Posted by: kamen123
Luis Lazo please do not be evil. Rentacoder staff can't deal with serious projects because they are too stupid. So the professional people have to go far away from rentacoder. Rentacoder staff are struggling to survive flattering clients, exploiting mislaid coders, making patches, barking, telling lies, etc
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http://wyome.com/blog/Rent-A-Coder_Alternatives%3F
Rent-A-Coder Alternatives?
Are there any good Rent-A-Coder alternatives out there that don't suck? That site is maddening to find anything, much less to just browse around. They really need to post a job to clean up their site, as it's about useless in page load and organization.
I know there was one for OS Projects, but when I was looking at it there was a total of three jobs listed. I wouldn't mind writing something, but I don't really have the time to promote it, and I certainly don't want any part of arbitration between people.
Please, tell me there is an alternative out there?
Posted by: Anonymous
Guru.com and elance.com, although elance is more global oriented and prices are very competitive or downright cheap.
-cwolf
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Posted by: John Cox
True. To be honest, I have both of those bookmarked but I don't go to either because of the reasons you mentioned. They are easier to navigate though:)
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Posted by: Anonymous
Guru.com and elance.com asks about subscription fee. Pay this fee and say "buy, buy" to your money, because you will never win any auction.
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Posted by: spamspotter
I had a very bad experience with Rent a Coder. You might read my experience here, but if you like your coder I suggest you developing a long term relationship.
http://www.spamspotter.com/2006/09/12/doing-business-with-rac-rentacoder-be-careful/
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Posted by: kamen123
It is fair to warn everyone about the pitfalls with rentacoder
please note with bigger/serious projects rentacoder staff are INCREDIBLY STUPID PROFESSIONAL LIARS
they lie even with their slogan
the DUMMIES in rentacoder staff are proficient to blame someone else for their mistakes in attempts to hide their stupidity
PERFECT evidences at http://kamen123.blogspot.com/
It is recommended to use such sites to find good clients and after that to avoid the site
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Posted by: TakeReal.com
The insulter "kamen123" has been banned from RentACoder
Main reason: "He insulted other parties numerous times".
"kamen 123" spoil perfect site in revenge.
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Posted by: kamen123
TakeReal/Sergey I.Grachyov: please spend your time checking my blog and please see that I have PERFECT evidences confirming my opinion. After that please advise the dummies in rac staff to stop with the lies. And please do not forget that only rentacoder is place for barking :-)
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Posted by: Tien Do Xuan
I have read just about 20 replies from kamen123. I can see that he is not professional as he didn't clear things before project starts. Also he must know that buyer will change some thing a little and money could be created easier and smoother if you go with minor modifications rather than take all into arbitration.
Just take to arbitration unacceptable requirements that in your project that caused I see that they are, but you didn't do that.
Also blaming others lead you to bad sign. Just be polite and don't say that you are not working for free, only that it is out side original requirement rather than saying WASTE TIME, WASTE TIME. Time is really waste if working such a coder like you.
In conclusion you are a bad coder which I never work with if I'm a buyer, really.
http://codeandmore.com/
Best Regards,
Tien.
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Posted by: kamen123
Tien Do Xuan your text is nonsense
Probably you are just liar from rentacoder staff
I cleared the requirements, but the buyer tried to shirk and he send the project to arbitration.
During the arbitration mental abilities of the arbitrators did not allow them to deal properly. They needed FOUR months to understand FOUR words.
So please admit the truth: mental abilities of rentacoder staff do not allow them to provide good and consistent service when dealing with serious projects. And they are struggling to survive flattering clients, exploiting misleaded coders, making patches, barking and lies
Tien Do Xuan please do not make silly attempts to hide the truth
It is fair to warn about the lies of the dummies in rentacoder staff.
Best Regards
kamen123
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Posted by: Tien Do Xuan
No Karmen,
I'm not Rent A Coder staff, just take a look at http://codeandmore.com/ where I'm building my portfolio there. I'm a successful coder on RAC now with ranking smaller than 200 with thousands of dollar earned, never lost any arbitrations.
One important point that you agreed to build the system on client's server on his ability, his environment, but you could not do that.
So what to say, you are bad coder. All the truth has been shown on arbitration texts, you could not understand the rule that you agreed, could not do the work right way, and rude, very rude.
If I'm a buyer I never work with you.
Best Regards,
Tien.
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Posted by: kamen123
Tien Do Xuan again your text is nonsense.
You may be hired by the dummies in rentacoder staff to support them
If you can think just read and see that I'm right:
I agreed to build system and I did it. I even did much more than I promised. It's all in the records. But I stumbled in the stupidity of rentacoder staff and their inability to understand more than several sentences plain English. I explained many times but the dummies in rentacoder staff need FOUR months to understand FOUR words!!!!!????
Also you can see in my blog how rentacoder staff is not able of understanding EXPLICIT recommendation from Microsoft during years. As results they are struggling against stupidity several years. And they think that Microsoft are responsible. But actually the stupidity of rentacoder staff is responsible. The same patter is in my experience with rentacoder: they do not understand more than several words plain English and they are proficient to lie and to blame someone else(Microsoft, me, anyone)
I'm not rude. I'm just showing facts. It's fair to warn about the pitfalls
Probably you make small tasks up to several hundreds and this is why you are working ok on rentacoder. Such small tasks are suitable for mental abilities of the dummies in rac staff. BUT beware that with significantly bigger tasks everyone will stumble in the incredibly stupidity
I have years international experience outside rentacoder. Also I can bring projects on renacoder as buyer. But I will NOT work with the dummies in rentacoder staff. Because they are too stupid to deal properly
So do you see now that I'm right?
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Posted by: Tien Do Xuan
Hi Karmen,
Should you not to say about some one to lie or not. You agreed to build a system follow the bid request, but at last you could not do that, right? Who will be responsible? Who should say apologize?. Assume it is impossible thing to create, why do you bid on it? And at last, when you could not do that project, who is the wrong doer in contract? Paris, your buyer is too patient to you also Rent A Coder arbitrators. Saying me I will not allow you more time to make me tired bored and at last nothing good created.
Now you are spending too much of time showing your right, using your mouth rather than training your self about programming skill which will increase your income.
I think with this point of view, you can't work well any where not only Rent A Coder. If you want to show me some where you are working well, send me profile links.
Here is my profile link to RAC so everyone here can see how high ranking, certified, good buyers' reputations should be for a normal coder.
http://codeandmore.com/weblinks/rent-a-coder/my-resume.html
Regards,
Tien.
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Posted by: Tien Do Xuan
Karmen,
Also your project from which you failed in arbitration is not a big project, at least not bigger than my recent projects which is done in days not weeks nor months like you. http://codeandmore.com/weblinks/rent-a-coder/my-resume.html
At this moment I'm not really a big dealer but enough for medium projects which is over 500. How many higher than 500$ projects you have done Karmen?
So they can see how high your experiences, also how big your mouth rather than big money you have in hand.
Saying true things, have you got any references to any sites that you are working well (and getting big projects as you saying from time to time)? Any bills that shows you could be a really good buyer? I love to see them rather then your typing skill which I can see from long posts.
Not only me, but every nice coders working well on RAC would protect them against bad coders like you.
When you spend too much time to prove that Rent A Coder 's fault, you are showing your bad face, bad skills, bad in rule/contract agreement may be English. At this moment you should wish that you could delete all things to start again as a fresh one.
Regards,
Tien.
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Posted by: kamen123
Hi Tien
Again your text is nonsense.
Please do not overload this page. Please contact me by email j2ee@abv.bg. I'll try to explain the obvious facts
As I told you I did what I promised in my bid. It was done for several hours or days. Also I did even more. But the problem was that the buyer and the arbitrator tried to get unlimited free lessons that cost more than $4000. Such lessons are not part of my bid and the project become much bigger than my initial bid. So I stumbled in the stupidity of rentacoder staff. It's all in the records
Everyone can see in my blog how rentacoder staff are not able of understanding the EXPLICIT recommendation from Microsoft therefore everyone will agree that rentacoder staff are too stupid to deal with bigger projects
As I told you I have years international experience. I have worked with real companies. I have worked on projects that cost millions. I do not wish to involve these companies in the stupid conversation with the dummies in rentacoder staff. In order to provide references about me I can use my contacts to help you find real job with real company if you are near me.
So please spend your time reading my blog to see that I have perfect evidences confirming that I'm right.
It is fair to warn about rentacoder staff. Please do not write more here. Please use my email j2ee@abv.bg
Regards
Kamen
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Posted by: Tien Do Xuan
Hi Karmen,
As above, you could not understand clear English! If you could understand what I said, you should post some links for every one to see how professional you are rather than how big your mouth.
I don't want to waste time email you and keep posting on this site but once again, if you better not type "non sense again" but paste here some links to your profile like this one:
http://codeandmore.com/weblinks/rent-a-coder/my-resume.html
Every one can see how truth your words.
This post is my last post here and I will no longer keeping my eye here. If you have so much time to do that, my advice to use that huge time to learn more English, sharpen your skill in programming and communicating rather than saying "I'm right" over time. You are not right until you see you are not right at that situation.
Once again, last post. You always want to be the last one to say, so do it.
Regards,
Tien.
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Posted by: kamen123
Hi Tien
Sorry that I have to disappoint you but your text again is nonsense
I just prefer you to use your brain instead of typing inconsistent statements here
I have worked with real companies and they do not post online details about their business. So please do no ask for such links
If you think more some day you may realise the truth that is obvious for many people like me: Rentacoder is suitable for beginners or for coders making small tasks up to several hundreds. All others have to avoid rentacoder because they will stumble in the incredible stupidity of rentacoder staff. It is fair to warn about this.
Regards
Kamen
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Posted by: kamen123
And Tien I know you will read so just 2 questions for your homework :
- Do you think that Microsoft need to "sharpen their skills in programming and communicating" in order rentacoder staff to understand EXPLICIT recommendation?
- Why don't you admit the obvious stupidity of rentacoder staff?
:-)?
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Posted by: clauz
Hi there, I just wanted to contribute to the topic a bit but letting you know there is a new service alternative to RAC that has not been mentioned here, probably cos it is rather new: Sypad.com
While I do enjoy RAC and unlike karmen I do think it is suitable for large projects, I always thought the interface for example could be much more improved. Other services with nice interfaces are more expensive as well. Sypad costs the same than rentacoder and it has a much better navigability. At the same time it is already bilingual and it will be adding more languages, something that is already unique.
It is only starting now, so few projects still...but I sure hope it grows cos I have tested it -I was invited to the beta testing rounds- and I did like it a lot.
Greetings,
Clauz
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Posted by: kamen123
Clauz you are free to ignore the obvious facts.
But it's fair to warn about the pitfalls of rentacoder
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Posted by: CoderForRent.com
Our site offers free listing, bids, and acceptance. Coders never pay a dime for anything. Just check it out and who know, maybe you'll have found one that doesn't suck.
Go to CoderForRent.com
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Posted by: Falcon
I have used elance several times to find coders, designers and marketing people, all to do with my Oracle E-Business Suite business.
And as a buyer of these services, I have found elance to work very well but the providers of services vary hugely. Yes many of the bids are very low, but I do not always choose the cheapest bid. A large part of my decision rests on whether or not I think I will get on with the provider, whether they understand my requirement and whether I believe they have the skills to do the job.
As in any activity involving handing over money you have to be careful. And I guess this is also true for a provider in assessing whether or not to hand over their time to a buyer!
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Posted by: Anonymous
The other upcoming is 247 Rent A Coder.
247RentACoder is a Outsourcing place for freelance programmers, web and logo designers, copywriters, illustrators and consultants
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Posted by: Goose
I know this is way late in the conversation but I thought I could shed some light on an otherwise confusing matter. From what I can surmise using links in the replies here It is my understanding that ALL parties were wrong in all aspects. The RAC Staff was wrong for delaying to this extent, The buyer was wrong for asking too much, but also you were wrong because you extended the problem with BAD English and by OVERREACTING. With almost all buyers if you talk coherently and are patient in your explanations will be very easy to deal with. I personally try to put the customer first (usually) and if a customer wants more done than was originally bid for I will ask then to either open a new, private, bid or ask them so send it to me in the form of a bonus. As you can also find by looking in the links posted the dispute was over $150, which is a medium sized project in my mind and I made $750 in 1.5* projects in the past few weeks *I say 1.5 because ! is completed and the buyer of my current released half of the fee from escrow, since I completed roughly half the work and also so it would make it into my account before the pay deadline (talk about a nice customer)
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Posted by: kamen123
Goose please do not try to change the facts
The main problem is the STUPIDITY of rentacoder staff and the buyer Paris Muller.
All other "problems" described by you are in consequence of this stupidity
You can look at http://rentacoder.com/CS/blogs/real_life_it/archive/2006/03/19/448.aspx
On this link rentacoder staff have described how they are wandering during years, how they can not understand EXPLICIT recommendations in the documentation of IIS/ASP and how they bark against Microsoft
I hope from this link you can guess what "professionals" are rentacoder staff and what is the content of their site...
I really sorry but I DO NOT provide unlimited free lessons for dummies
:-)
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Posted by: kamen123
And Goose for people that do not have experience building web sites I added brief explanation of the link at http://kamen123.blogspot.com/2007/03/very-funny-link-that-i-found.html
So Goose please feel free to answer these questions:
- Do you think that Microsoft need to "sharpen their skills in programming and communicating" in order rentacoder staff to understand EXPLICIT recommendation?
- Why don't you admit the OBVIOUS STUPIDITY OF RENTACODER STAFF?
:-)
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Posted by: Tien Do Xuan
Hello all,
When you are using your time to show your English skill in insulting, I use my time to increase ranking and of course money.
http://codeandmore.com/weblinks/rent-a-coder/my-resume.html
Now I'm at top 100 coders (and will be in Top 10 next year), where you are Karmen, a banned coder?
Every one might fail, but they have to earn some experiences from that failure to make success later, what you can learn from that, you still don't see any thing you can learn? If that, never you can be success.
Regards and honest,
Tien.
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Posted by: kamen123
Hello Tien Do Xuan
Please note that you will never have success if you allow STUPID LIARS like rentacoder staff to blame you for their stupidity
As I told you I have many years experience with international companies. It is not published online but it is easy to prove it with a text.
Tien Do Xuan just study this text and when you understand it please let me know:
URL: http://kamen123.blogspot.com/2007/03/very-funny-link-that-i-found.html
TASK TITLE: outline major mistakes of rentacoder staff during years
ACHIEVED GOAL: created perfect evidence
EVIDENCE OF: the dummies in rentacoder staff do not understand more than several words plain English and they are proficient to blame someone else
BRIEF DESCRIPTION: the dummies in rentacoder staff can not understand the PERFECT documentation of IIS/ASP during years. And they blame Microsoft. But the real problem is the endless stupidity of rentacoder staff
SIDE EFFECT: this task proves that I have much more skills and experience than the liars in rentacoder staff
RECOMMENDATION: if someone tries to make serious project he will stumble in the incredible stupidity of rac staff. People interested to make serious projects have to go far away from rentacoder.
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Posted by: r-ac staff
Hi there.
You may try scriptlance.com.
I have turned all business there after some issues with rac.
scriplance is more flexibile, smaller community, where you actually you can talk with the admins.
they even reactivated my account twice.
more, you wount see there ratings like on rac. in case of project cancellation, you dont get any review :)
this is advertising, i am trying to build also a place like rac ans sl, but its hard :).
i need members lool. if you are interested, checkout http://www.rent-acoder.com There will be more benefits like on rac.
the site is up by a year, but only now it suffered a redesign and some seo/marketing!
thanks,
Andor
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Posted by: kamen123
Also Tien Do Xuan please note that is fair to warn other internet users about the pitfalls of rentacoder
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Posted by: Steel9561
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Sincerely,
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Posted by: kamen123
Luis Lazo please do not be evil. Rentacoder staff can't deal with serious projects because they are too stupid. So the professional people have to go far away from rentacoder. Rentacoder staff are struggling to survive flattering clients, exploiting mislaid coders, making patches, barking, telling lies, etc
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Friday, August 24, 2007
Beware Of The Pitfalls Of Rentacoder
If someone tries to make serious project he will stumble in the incredible stupidity of rentacoder staff.
People interested to make serious projects have to go far away from rentacoder.
This is perfect evidence:
URL: http://kamen123.blogspot.com/2007/03/very-funny-link-that-i-found.html
TASK TITLE: outline major mistakes of rentacoder staff during years
ACHIEVED GOAL: created perfect evidence
EVIDENCE OF: the dummies in rentacoder staff do not understand more than several words plain English and they are proficient to blame someone else
BRIEF DESCRIPTION: the dummies in rentacoder staff can not understand the PERFECT documentation of IIS/ASP during years. And they blame Microsoft. But the real problem is the endless stupidity of rentacoder staff
SIDE EFFECT: this task proves that I have much more skills and experience than the liars in rentacoder staff.
The behaviour of rentacoder staff is similar to http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/01/marine.iraq.shooting.ap/index.html
People interested to make serious projects have to go far away from rentacoder.
This is perfect evidence:
URL: http://kamen123.blogspot.com/2007/03/very-funny-link-that-i-found.html
TASK TITLE: outline major mistakes of rentacoder staff during years
ACHIEVED GOAL: created perfect evidence
EVIDENCE OF: the dummies in rentacoder staff do not understand more than several words plain English and they are proficient to blame someone else
BRIEF DESCRIPTION: the dummies in rentacoder staff can not understand the PERFECT documentation of IIS/ASP during years. And they blame Microsoft. But the real problem is the endless stupidity of rentacoder staff
SIDE EFFECT: this task proves that I have much more skills and experience than the liars in rentacoder staff.
The behaviour of rentacoder staff is similar to http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/01/marine.iraq.shooting.ap/index.html
Wednesday, August 8, 2007
Rentacoder Staff Are Professional Liars
It is fair to warn everyone about the pitfalls with rentacoder
With bigger/serious projects rentacoder staff are INCREDIBLY STUPID PROFESSIONAL LIARS
They lie even with their slogan
The DUMMIES in rentacoder staff are proficient to blame someone else( Microsoft, me, anyone ) and they try to hide facts with lies
Rentacoder is shame for the business
Rentacoder staff and some of their "buyers" try to make money from dishonest exploitation
PERFECT evidences and more details in the articles here
The behaviour of rentacoder staff is similar to http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/01/marine.iraq.shooting.ap/index.html
With bigger/serious projects rentacoder staff are INCREDIBLY STUPID PROFESSIONAL LIARS
They lie even with their slogan
The DUMMIES in rentacoder staff are proficient to blame someone else( Microsoft, me, anyone ) and they try to hide facts with lies
Rentacoder is shame for the business
Rentacoder staff and some of their "buyers" try to make money from dishonest exploitation
PERFECT evidences and more details in the articles here
The behaviour of rentacoder staff is similar to http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/01/marine.iraq.shooting.ap/index.html
Wednesday, July 25, 2007
Rentacoder Is Shame For The Business
The mental abilities of rentacoder staff do not allow them to make more than patches(up to several hundreds)
They try to hide this fact with lies but it's obvious: rentacoder is site for patches and endless stupidity
The dummies in rentacoder staff and some of their "buyers" try to make money from dishonest exploitation
Rentacoder lie even with their slogan
PERFECT evidences in the articles here
Sergey I.Grachyov is rentacoder's dog
His mental abilities do not allow him to understand that I have PERFECT evidences confirming that I'm right
He thinks that rentacoder is perfect because rentacoder is source of food for him
Like every dog he can bark non stop
Please do not pay attention to him
:-)
They try to hide this fact with lies but it's obvious: rentacoder is site for patches and endless stupidity
The dummies in rentacoder staff and some of their "buyers" try to make money from dishonest exploitation
Rentacoder lie even with their slogan
PERFECT evidences in the articles here
Sergey I.Grachyov is rentacoder's dog
His mental abilities do not allow him to understand that I have PERFECT evidences confirming that I'm right
He thinks that rentacoder is perfect because rentacoder is source of food for him
Like every dog he can bark non stop
Please do not pay attention to him
:-)
Wednesday, May 23, 2007
Conclusion: With Serious Projects Rentacoder Staff Is INCREDIBLY STUPID
With serious projects rentacoder staff is INCREDIBLY STUPID and they are proficient to blame someone else.
Perfect examples in the articles here.
Please help me to give them a lesson.
They lie even with the slogan of the site
Perfect examples in the articles here.
Please help me to give them a lesson.
They lie even with the slogan of the site
Monday, April 30, 2007
How Rentacoder Staff Spams Technorati 3
Rentacoder staff refined their methods to spam technorati but it is obvious that there are more posts after I published my opinion
http://www.technorati.com/chart/rentacoder?chartdays=180&language=n&authority=n
Now they post less dummy postings but probably they make different registrations as different blogger to write advertisements about rentacoder
Please be warned:
When dealing with serious projects rentacoder staff make mistakes. And they are proficient to blame someone else. Read more about my experience with rentacoder here
Thursday, March 29, 2007
Very Funny Link That I Found
I don't have time to dive in the endless examples of mental abilities of rentacoder team. But there is very funny link that I found. It's interesting to see how rentacoder owner blames Microsoft. Obviously mental abilities of rentacoder team do not allow them to read and understand the documentation of IIS 5.0 that came with every IIS 5 many years ago.
The url of the fun: http://rentacoder.com/CS/blogs/real_life_it/archive/2006/03/19/448.aspx
They can't stop me to laugh at them, if rentacoder hides this article there are copies at:
http://pages.citebite.com/p1s4t5s6s5ctb
http://web.archive.org/web/20060429110120/http://rentacoder.com/CS/blogs/real_life_it/archive/2006/03/19/448.aspx
http://www.webcitation.org/5OA68UZxe
This is the text with my explanations:
Real Life Microsoft IT
this title is lie, right title is "real life rentacoder mental abilities", "real life rentacoder stupidity" or "rentacoder - shame of the international global marketplace"
Classic ASP: Not ready for prime-time?
This title is silly, it is well described many years ago in IIS 5 documentation:"ASP should not be used for business logic. If you find that most of your business logic is embedded into the ASP, your application will probably not scale properly. It is true that ActiveX® scripting languages, hosted by ASP, are capable of accomplishing a great deal of business logic processing. However, if the business logic required for your Web application is more than trivial, then that business logic should be folded into a new COM component, rather than embedded in ASP scripts. "
The right title is "the code of rentacoder site: the biggest mistake of rentacoder team", "the biggest patch on the site for patches"
There is a VERY bad problem with Active Server Pages (ASP...or what is sometimes known as "classic ASP") which prevents it from being a viable system on which to build a "big IT" project. For 2 years we've been fighting a problem in which the IIS (Internet Information Server) 6.0 web servers will run fine for a while. But then after 18-20 hours, every pages will stop running properly and instead display random errors (that change from refresh of the page to refresh). The errors always say things like "Cannot find property or method" regarding classes that do exist, or "Cannot create object". The exact property or object changes from "refresh" to "resfresh"...even on the same page. Restarting will fix the problem for an hour or so...but then it reoccurs. Only a hard reboot will fix it for another 18-20 hours. And then the cycle repeats itself.
Obviously rentacoder team has overloaded the server. They have been fighting for years with their stupidity and blame Microsoft. There is vey bad problem with rentacoder: they are proficient to make patches and blame someone else for their mistakes.
We started a ticket over 2 years on this. Today Microsoft acknowledged the problem publicly with a KB article: http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;914156
Obviously the stupidity of rentacoder is endless and Microsoft is their excuse.
Basically the problem is that ASP fragments the heap under certain conditions:1) When an app uses INCLUDE files 2) When an app uses significant memoryAnd it doesn't defragment the memory and as a result, will ALWAYS crash IIS in this way. The new restart services of IIS 6.0 don't help, becuase only a hard reboot can truly get rid of the defragmentation.
Probably the owner of rac is proud that he understood several technical terms. He uses every opportunity to show it. Probably he thinks that this way will prove that he is professional. :-)
Of course, two things that any site that has any sophistication has lots of INCLUDE files and any site that has any traffic uses lots of memory. If both of these apply to you, your ASP site is in trouble. This is what's called a "bug" in my book. I'm sure if ASP were MSFT's current technology they would have to fix this. But Microsoft has moved on to ASP.NET...so I suspect the incentive is pretty much nil.
Of course rentacoder team think that many people are so stupid like them. Probably because of the "buyers" asking for clone of google for $100.
If you look at the KB article, Microsoft gives a "workaround" (which is the same workaround that they suggested to us). The workaround is to rewrite your INCLUDE files as COM objects. The article sites a # of benefits like speed, etc..
If rentacoder team was able to understand IIS 5 documentation they will know the best practices and will not call it "workaround"
The KB was probably written by a systems engineer who knows alot about running systems, but has no idea how computer software is developed, and how impractical this workaround is in the real world. In a previous position we went down the COM object route. We did it for other reasons...because it was the Microsoft "best practice" at the time. It's obvious why it no longer is. The problems we ran into were:
Again someone else is responsible for the stupidity of rentacoder team. The real problem is that rentacoder do not have idea of the real world. They are lost in their illusions
1) Memory: COM objects have a known memory leak problem. If two COM objects reference each other and you set them to Nothing, they don't clear themselves in memory as they should. The problem is due to the internal way that COM objects work and was fixed in .NET with a rearchitecture. But that isn't an option for you if you use COM objects. This COM memory leak bug will cause your machine to eventually crash, EVERY TIME.
Also for Java application servers when there is no more memory it is recommended restart, so restart is common way to solve such problems. But not for rentacoder team, they have to blame someone else
2) Slowness to initialize objects: COM objects are not designed to be created and destroyed thousands of times like .NET objects. Our object rich COM model running on the internet was VERY slow...some pages took 5-10 seconds to render. One way to work around this is to not use objects in COM, but instead use functions. But of course, this "solution" causes almost as many problems. A non-object oriented framework is exponentially more difficult to debug and maintain which makes delivering the code on time and on budget frustratingly (and unnecessarily) difficult.
there are 2 problems here:
- they have overloaded the server with bad structured asp code
- it is recommended the com objects to live in application scope: "Cache Application-scoped objects and data, either by creating the object in Global.asa, or creating it on-demand in an individual ASP script, and placing it in Application scope."...
3) Slowness to develop: This was a real show stopper. Every time a change is made in the COM object code (the COM object has to be completely recompiled from scratch, which took 2-3 minutes on a state of the art machines (This # could vary depending on the size of your COM objects). Also, many times IIS would lock the COM object .dll, so in addition, IIS had to be stopped and restarted too, which took another minute or two. (The latter might be alleviated with object pooling, but all the other negatives forced us to abandon COM before even looking at this possibility).
Probably rentacoder team is using IBM XT or they need to read about Script components: "Script components are an excellent technology for developing prototypes of COM components." Or may be the real problem again is mental abilities of rentacoder team, they may need 1000 times to compile for every letter
How does this affect things? When code is created, it is never right the first time. Even creating a single function is an iterative process where it's coded, run, bugs are removed, and the process repeated. A typically complex function created by a top notch developer might require 3-4 iterations...and an average developer might require 10,15 or more. Being able to iterate quickly is what allows you to deliver it on time and on budget. If creating just a single function requires 9 more minutes for your "star" developer and 30 more minutes for your average developers, you are going to have problems. It is FRUSTRATINGLY difficult to develop under these circumstances and try to meet time and budget commitments.
Obviously rentacoder owner is lost in his stupidity and gets frustrated. I can understand him. It is not easy to live with closed eyes. With closed eyes there are many dangers
I tried to explain to the Microsoft systems engineer why this was impractical, but simply got the standard "spiel" repeated to me that COM objects were wonderful and the way to go. Obviously he believed something he read from a KB article, more than me, who he did not realize had personal experience with this supposed "solution".
Obviously rentacoder team again tried to blame someone else for their stupidity. With so many "coders" flattering for 1-2 dollars rentacoder team is lost in their illusions.
Conclusion: If you develop a web app with any sophisticiation or any size, ASP (classic ASP) is NOT a suitable or scalable environment for you. Instead go to a non Microsoft platform. If you choose to say with Microsoft, choose the newer ASP.NET.
Conclusion: we see well known pattern. The mental abilities of rentacoder team do not allow them to understand more than several words. They try to blame someone else for their stupidity. With so many "coders" flattering for 1-2 dollars they are lost in their illusions. They think that barking against Microsoft will prove that they are right. Rentacoder is site for patches and endless stupidity.
The url of the fun: http://rentacoder.com/CS/blogs/real_life_it/archive/2006/03/19/448.aspx
They can't stop me to laugh at them, if rentacoder hides this article there are copies at:
http://pages.citebite.com/p1s4t5s6s5ctb
http://web.archive.org/web/20060429110120/http://rentacoder.com/CS/blogs/real_life_it/archive/2006/03/19/448.aspx
http://www.webcitation.org/5OA68UZxe
This is the text with my explanations:
Real Life Microsoft IT
this title is lie, right title is "real life rentacoder mental abilities", "real life rentacoder stupidity" or "rentacoder - shame of the international global marketplace"
Classic ASP: Not ready for prime-time?
This title is silly, it is well described many years ago in IIS 5 documentation:"ASP should not be used for business logic. If you find that most of your business logic is embedded into the ASP, your application will probably not scale properly. It is true that ActiveX® scripting languages, hosted by ASP, are capable of accomplishing a great deal of business logic processing. However, if the business logic required for your Web application is more than trivial, then that business logic should be folded into a new COM component, rather than embedded in ASP scripts. "
The right title is "the code of rentacoder site: the biggest mistake of rentacoder team", "the biggest patch on the site for patches"
There is a VERY bad problem with Active Server Pages (ASP...or what is sometimes known as "classic ASP") which prevents it from being a viable system on which to build a "big IT" project. For 2 years we've been fighting a problem in which the IIS (Internet Information Server) 6.0 web servers will run fine for a while. But then after 18-20 hours, every pages will stop running properly and instead display random errors (that change from refresh of the page to refresh). The errors always say things like "Cannot find property or method" regarding classes that do exist, or "Cannot create object". The exact property or object changes from "refresh" to "resfresh"...even on the same page. Restarting will fix the problem for an hour or so...but then it reoccurs. Only a hard reboot will fix it for another 18-20 hours. And then the cycle repeats itself.
Obviously rentacoder team has overloaded the server. They have been fighting for years with their stupidity and blame Microsoft. There is vey bad problem with rentacoder: they are proficient to make patches and blame someone else for their mistakes.
We started a ticket over 2 years on this. Today Microsoft acknowledged the problem publicly with a KB article: http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;914156
Obviously the stupidity of rentacoder is endless and Microsoft is their excuse.
Basically the problem is that ASP fragments the heap under certain conditions:1) When an app uses INCLUDE files 2) When an app uses significant memoryAnd it doesn't defragment the memory and as a result, will ALWAYS crash IIS in this way. The new restart services of IIS 6.0 don't help, becuase only a hard reboot can truly get rid of the defragmentation.
Probably the owner of rac is proud that he understood several technical terms. He uses every opportunity to show it. Probably he thinks that this way will prove that he is professional. :-)
Of course, two things that any site that has any sophistication has lots of INCLUDE files and any site that has any traffic uses lots of memory. If both of these apply to you, your ASP site is in trouble. This is what's called a "bug" in my book. I'm sure if ASP were MSFT's current technology they would have to fix this. But Microsoft has moved on to ASP.NET...so I suspect the incentive is pretty much nil.
Of course rentacoder team think that many people are so stupid like them. Probably because of the "buyers" asking for clone of google for $100.
If you look at the KB article, Microsoft gives a "workaround" (which is the same workaround that they suggested to us). The workaround is to rewrite your INCLUDE files as COM objects. The article sites a # of benefits like speed, etc..
If rentacoder team was able to understand IIS 5 documentation they will know the best practices and will not call it "workaround"
The KB was probably written by a systems engineer who knows alot about running systems, but has no idea how computer software is developed, and how impractical this workaround is in the real world. In a previous position we went down the COM object route. We did it for other reasons...because it was the Microsoft "best practice" at the time. It's obvious why it no longer is. The problems we ran into were:
Again someone else is responsible for the stupidity of rentacoder team. The real problem is that rentacoder do not have idea of the real world. They are lost in their illusions
1) Memory: COM objects have a known memory leak problem. If two COM objects reference each other and you set them to Nothing, they don't clear themselves in memory as they should. The problem is due to the internal way that COM objects work and was fixed in .NET with a rearchitecture. But that isn't an option for you if you use COM objects. This COM memory leak bug will cause your machine to eventually crash, EVERY TIME.
Also for Java application servers when there is no more memory it is recommended restart, so restart is common way to solve such problems. But not for rentacoder team, they have to blame someone else
2) Slowness to initialize objects: COM objects are not designed to be created and destroyed thousands of times like .NET objects. Our object rich COM model running on the internet was VERY slow...some pages took 5-10 seconds to render. One way to work around this is to not use objects in COM, but instead use functions. But of course, this "solution" causes almost as many problems. A non-object oriented framework is exponentially more difficult to debug and maintain which makes delivering the code on time and on budget frustratingly (and unnecessarily) difficult.
there are 2 problems here:
- they have overloaded the server with bad structured asp code
- it is recommended the com objects to live in application scope: "Cache Application-scoped objects and data, either by creating the object in Global.asa, or creating it on-demand in an individual ASP script, and placing it in Application scope."...
3) Slowness to develop: This was a real show stopper. Every time a change is made in the COM object code (the COM object has to be completely recompiled from scratch, which took 2-3 minutes on a state of the art machines (This # could vary depending on the size of your COM objects). Also, many times IIS would lock the COM object .dll, so in addition, IIS had to be stopped and restarted too, which took another minute or two. (The latter might be alleviated with object pooling, but all the other negatives forced us to abandon COM before even looking at this possibility).
Probably rentacoder team is using IBM XT or they need to read about Script components: "Script components are an excellent technology for developing prototypes of COM components." Or may be the real problem again is mental abilities of rentacoder team, they may need 1000 times to compile for every letter
How does this affect things? When code is created, it is never right the first time. Even creating a single function is an iterative process where it's coded, run, bugs are removed, and the process repeated. A typically complex function created by a top notch developer might require 3-4 iterations...and an average developer might require 10,15 or more. Being able to iterate quickly is what allows you to deliver it on time and on budget. If creating just a single function requires 9 more minutes for your "star" developer and 30 more minutes for your average developers, you are going to have problems. It is FRUSTRATINGLY difficult to develop under these circumstances and try to meet time and budget commitments.
Obviously rentacoder owner is lost in his stupidity and gets frustrated. I can understand him. It is not easy to live with closed eyes. With closed eyes there are many dangers
I tried to explain to the Microsoft systems engineer why this was impractical, but simply got the standard "spiel" repeated to me that COM objects were wonderful and the way to go. Obviously he believed something he read from a KB article, more than me, who he did not realize had personal experience with this supposed "solution".
Obviously rentacoder team again tried to blame someone else for their stupidity. With so many "coders" flattering for 1-2 dollars rentacoder team is lost in their illusions.
Conclusion: If you develop a web app with any sophisticiation or any size, ASP (classic ASP) is NOT a suitable or scalable environment for you. Instead go to a non Microsoft platform. If you choose to say with Microsoft, choose the newer ASP.NET.
Conclusion: we see well known pattern. The mental abilities of rentacoder team do not allow them to understand more than several words. They try to blame someone else for their stupidity. With so many "coders" flattering for 1-2 dollars they are lost in their illusions. They think that barking against Microsoft will prove that they are right. Rentacoder is site for patches and endless stupidity.
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